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15 February 2014 @ 05:11 pm
secondary fanworks and permission statements  
New layout, because it was time for a change and I fancy lots of white space to encourage me to fill it with words :) Not sure about the title style or the blue; I was thinking more greyscale, but it'll do for now. Happier with how my new profile layout turned out.

I also, after reading this interesting meta by thefourthvine on dreamwidth, have a permission statement in my LJ and AO3 profiles. I'd been debating about this, because it kind of sounds like you're saying 'I'm so awesome I need one of these because of course people are going to want to make secondary fanworks of my stuff', but then a (very) few people have asked me about using my icons elsewhere and translations and they always sound all apologetic. So I wanted something to say 'do not be apologetic for I am hugely flattered!' It got a little wordy, because I'm like that :/ But here's how mine goes:

Permission Statement (because apparently these things are useful): If you feel so inclined you have my permission to create secondary fanworks of any of my transformative works, including but not limited to: podfic, fanart, fanmixes, translations, remixes, meta, negative reviews that will make me cry, commentaries, using my icons on other sites… I'll be flattered :) I appreciate that there are different requirements for different formats (ie. podfic) so if small changes to the original work help, feel free to alter at will. If you would like me to make alterations specifically for you or help with anything, please feel free to ask - I may not want to dive back into an old fic, but it's worth a shot. A few stipulations: please ask if you want to write a sequel to any of my works, in case I'm already writing one myself. Please ask before doing anything with something I co-created or that was me playing in someone else's sandbox, because it'd be nice to check with them first too. Please don't use my work for profit or anything commercial. Please credit me for the part of the work that i've done and link back to the original work. Please let me know so that I can squee about it! (I can be contacted by PM, comments, or email if you have it.)

What're people's thoughts on creating secondary works of other people's creations? I've done art collaborations in big bangs and I know there are remixes out there, but what about outside of that? I've played in someone else's sandbox with permission, but felt kinda bad about it. I've approached fandom people with permission statements to use their art for icons, and as long as I credited I felt comfortable with that. Thinky thoughts?
alphaflyer on February 15th, 2014 09:18 pm (UTC)
Hmm. You ask, "What're people's thoughts on creating secondary works of other people's creations?" Obviously, as a fanfic writer, it's what I do, so I feel kind of okay about it, and also pretty firmly believe that no one can truly complain if someone takes their fanwork and uses it for further evolution. ;-)

That said, there are a few miles of difference between, say, the Marvel universe and someone who bashed a fanfic out of the laptop in Mom's basement. In the case of the former, I don't ask permission - I just use their stuff with a disclaimer, and the fandom tag as the 'giving of credit'.

In the case of the latter, I tend to seek personal permission and give credit by name (I opened a deviantart account so I could PM an artist who'd done the PERFECT Andorian and ask if I could use it for "The Andorian Incident). It's a matter of courtesy, I find.

PS: Thanks for letting me use your icons! Feel free to use my words ... :-)

inkvoices: avengers:assassins huginkvoices on February 15th, 2014 11:50 pm (UTC)
Yep, I should have clarified - fanfic as transformative works anyway, and then secondary creative works as in fanfic of fanfic. I guess there is a level of hypocracy if people then don't accept secondary works, but there are people out there who don't like it.

I used to be much more careful with disclaimers of original works, but now...I have a general disclaimer on my LJ profile and AO3 has it's own disclaimer, by definition being a site of transformative works. I feel by stating what fandom it's in, that's pretty much saying it's not mine anyway? But then if there are crossover elements I like to point them out. Although that's more so people can go forth and find new fandoms :) I DO have a thing about direct quotation. If I quote from someone else's work I have to disclaimer that, because those words aren't mine.

I'm like that for icon-ing art. I played in Bee and Bob's sandbox a while back and asked if that was okay, but I dunno, I felt awkward about it?

You are always lovely for tracking folks down and doing the asking thing :)
rthstewartrthstewart on February 15th, 2014 09:51 pm (UTC)
As I understand it, the blanket permission is something that podficcers and others like. There is apparently a substantially sized group who is far more likely to do derivative work of your work if they see the blanket permission. Maybe their assumption is that if you don't have it up, you don't want it done? I don't know. Also, there are a lot of people in fandom with pretty low self-esteem/social anxiety and for those creative people it might just be really, really hard to send a PM or an email.

So, I have a blanket on my profiles (though not LJ or DW so I should probably change that), which states, "I claim no ownership interest whatsoever in any derivative fiction I write. Any original content in my derivative fiction is in the public domain and may be used freely and without notice to me or attribution."

That is broader than what a love fan creators are comfortable with but I don't claim any interest and so therefore have no problem telling people, have at it. I've had several instances where I've only found out about use of my material after the fact. I prefer is the person tells me, just so I can pimp it, but they don't have to.

Edited at 2014-02-15 09:52 pm (UTC)
inkvoicesinkvoices on February 15th, 2014 11:54 pm (UTC)
It does seem to be a podfic thing, which is perhaps why it's not something I've come across a lot. I have seen it on some fanartist's sites though when I've been searching for their contact details to see if it would be okay to icon their art. And yes, lots of awkwardness around asking. Me too at least a little :)

Huh, so if you have no interest you wouldn't look at it (or listen or read)? I don't know if I would if it was podfic (mostly because I don't tend to listen to podfic) but I'd be curious about art or fic, and I'd want to know. Maybe if they like my stuff they'd be someone I'd like to chat to, y'know?

rthstewartrthstewart on February 16th, 2014 01:46 am (UTC)
Whoa serious typos in my response from before. Sorry about that. I am VERY MUCH personally interested in what others do with my work. But I claim no legal interest in my own work or what others might decide to do with it. I do prefer to know but at least twice I only found out about it after the fact. The other writers didn't ask, they just started using things from my 'verse.

One work of mine was pod ficced and she did ask in advance. It's a gorgeous work.
inkvoicesinkvoices on February 19th, 2014 12:01 am (UTC)
No worries :) Ah, okay, that makes more sense to me. Is that something you'd put in a permission statement, that you'd like to know, or do you feel once you've said you have no legal type interest that nothing else really matters? (I'm always curious about why people chose to word things the way they do.)

firefly_124firefly124 on February 17th, 2014 02:11 pm (UTC)
It's how I got started, at least online: writing a vignette based on someone else's novel-length fic. They were cool with it (thankfully, as I was such a n00b it didn't occur to me to ask), and I'm similarly flattered if someone wants to do whatever with my stuff. It's only come up once or twice, with translations or podfic, but you're making me realize it would be useful to post something on my own profiles. Thanks for that!

Also, hi! Sorry it's been forever and a day and that the multiverse-crossover-of-doom sort of fell into a black hole. Clearly this grad school thing is more life-eating than I'd anticipated, which is kind of absurd, looking back.
inkvoicesinkvoices on February 18th, 2014 11:58 pm (UTC)
I started out online with roleplaying on message boards and then a round robin challenge fic, so it never really came up. I wasn't really aware of it as a useful type of thing until reading that article :)

HELLO! No worries, so it goes :) How's grad school? Enjoying it despite the work load I hope.
firefly_124firefly124 on February 19th, 2014 05:17 am (UTC)
I am indeed enjoying it. It's just this thing where I decided to do actual research (and am having hella trouble drumming up subjects) and am pulling my hair out by the roots. LOL Final semester, though, or should be if I actually manage to wrap this thing up.

How goes life after grad school? Please tell me there is such a thing! :-D
inkvoices: dr who:listen to roryinkvoices on February 19th, 2014 09:43 pm (UTC)
Good :D Yeah, I've had that problem with projects :/ Something that helped me was finding an organisation or people who have already organised themselves into an unofficial group so that you can tap all of them as subjects, if this even helps for what you're doing. I found a local residents group for a flooding project that saved my bacon in undergraduate.

Umm, yes. But I, if I had the money to do a PhD, would go back in a heartbeat. Enjoy it :)