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23 May 2016 @ 12:00 am
X Men: Apocalypse  
I watched X Men: Apocalypse yesteday. Non-spoiler reaction: oh my gosh, this film is ridiculous rubbish, but I had so much fun watching it. No, really, plot holes you can drive a bus through, fridged ladies, obvious plot exposition, cheesey dialogue, and yet all fun to mock. And amongst the mess some really nice moments and really amusing moments. If you enjoy X Men, yes even at least parts of the thid film, and yes even the Wolverine films, then I'm sure you'll find something to enjoy in this one too. I did.

A couple of thoughts:
- 80's Storm, all streetwise and with mohawk! YAY.
- shame we didn't get more Jubilee - she couldn't have gone with Jean, Scott, and Kurt?
- whilst we're on the topic of ladies, woah, complete fridging of Erik's family, I wanted to see more of Nina's gifts, what are you trying to do with Pietro's mum, and Pyslocke seems to be here just for the swimsuit. But oh the hilarity: Apocalypse spends ages on Angel's armour and wings and Psylocke just gets a swimsuit.
- Charles when talking about and to Moira, and Alex's facial expressions in Moira's office - oh Charles, fail.
- get your Star Wars references in this year everybody!
- "the third film is always the worst", bwahaha, yep, and this time around too apparently
- Kurt. And his thriller jacket. Bless.
- Pietro saving everyone and oh so casually, aww
- but not Alex, aww Alex. I guess since Scott appears to have parents this time around, or at least some kind of loving family, he had to get some family tradgedy. Also Angel, that had little impact? I was worried about Pietro for a while there...comments were made along the lines of 'oh come on, you can't kill him in both sets of films!'
- Erik gets the one allowed F-word and uses it well. Also points for the team Apocalypse entrance and reaction to Eriks 'no, don't try to stop me!'
- we're destroying Auschwitz? I'm...really not sure how I feel about that.
- oh, hello Logan! Hey, you have pants, well done. Bye Logan!
- Apocalypse is the reason Charlies loses his hair, but Storm gets the cool white hair. Sorry Charles, it really is the end of the world.
- Yes, Jean, tell everyone the plot. And keep telling us. Carry on.
- interesting how this time around Charles is all about Jean using her powers, and it'll be nice to see where that goes
- the end where the mansion gets rebuilt and Raven is trying the new X Men, YES PLEASE, I love the 'lego X mansion trope' - as in 'it should be made of lego to make it easier to rebuild, the number of times it gets destroyed' - and I want all the X kids and school shenanigans, please and thank you
- the rest of the world: yep, we have mutants, we knew this, have we been doing anything about it? Other than teaching about them in schools and torturing them in underground labs, I have no idea. Oh my god, the clean up is going to take forever, bloody mutants.
- Dr Essex in the after credits scene. Huh, does this mean they can do Cable and more time travel in the future to rework the timelines and reboot all over again if they want to? Because...okay, no, sure, the confusion acually amuses the hell out of me.

And now I feel the urge to reread old X Men fanfic, but the first set of films and comics fanfic, before all the Charles/Erik and back in the days when there were lots of X Kids shenanigan fics.

I leave you with one of my favourite X vids, an oldie but a goodie: these are the days (of miracle and wonder) by kaydeefalls. (Password is just above the vid.)
ericadawn16ericadawn16 on May 23rd, 2016 01:10 am (UTC)

So, we're still setting up Cable which means Deadpool 2...not an X-Men film?

I'm not liking the idea of fridging even though that's what the comics did every single time...and just yesterday I was arguing that Fox Wanda would have to die in order to connect Fox with the MCU...

I really think the newer emphasis on other universes, worlds, timelines, is leading to MCU/Fox.

inkvoices: X:evolution jeaninkvoices on May 23rd, 2016 10:23 pm (UTC)
No, I'm pretty sure they're setting up for the Pheonix storyline next, or soon, but I'm amused that they had Essex in the after credits scene.

I don't think the comics always fridged the ladies? I mean, there was a lot of dying, but characters tended to get some storyline in first. And there was equal opportunity everyone dies, heh. Why do you think Fox Wanda would have to die? You mean like a House of M plotline? I think they could connect them in other ways, lots of multiverse plotlines to pick from, but to be honest I don't think they ever will. The cast would be too unwieldy and I think it might confuse audiences. Although I'd be happy if they each borrowed a character now and then. (Marvel seem to be doing well borrowing Spider Man from Sony.)
ericadawn16ericadawn16 on May 24th, 2016 01:41 am (UTC)
By fridging I was thinking specifically of women connected to Erik like Anya and he assumed Magda had died before finding out decades later about Pietro and Wanda.

"Kill the spare"? It seems like Marvel would prefer only one set of twins. MCU already killed Pietro so Fox would have to kill Wanda.

You're the second person to mention House of M which could be interesting but as you said, not the only way they could go. I would just love for Wanda and "Peter" to meet when they're so different now.

I think audiences are confused as it is. Just the other day I had explain how yes, Spider-Man IS Marvel. They just hadn't been allowed to use him before. She assumed that since he had been in separate films, he was DC.

P.S. What I really want more than anything is S.W.O.r>D., Abigail Brand and Lockheed!
Seriously, you have a freaking DRAGON and you never use him???

Edited at 2016-05-24 01:42 am (UTC)
inkvoices: avengers:assassins huginkvoices on May 24th, 2016 09:46 pm (UTC)
Oh there is definitely specific fridging in the comics, Erik's family an example. But there was some good treatment of ladies at times, and some good role models in there.

Sorry, I don't see it. Actually, I think it'd be really interesting if two Wandas got to meet, or were the cause of a crossover event. And yes, Wanda and a rather different Pietro, that would be interesting. Although Fox haven't brought Wanda into it yet and I think maybe they're still figuring out what, if anything, to do with her. (Alternatively the companies are just trying not to step on each others' toes by having variations of the same character, or to not confuse audienes.)

Oh, well, Spider Man. I think his place in all this confuses everyone *grins*.

I was saying to a friend after the film: so if this is Fox, but crediting Marvel, and Marvel is Disney, who also own Star Wars, and this Fox film has a Star Wars reference in it...

Ooo, SWORD! And Kitty with Lockheed! Brand and Fury, Brand and Hill, hell yes :D
ericadawn16ericadawn16 on May 26th, 2016 01:38 am (UTC)
Wanda was mentioned in a deleted scene for Days of Future Past because Singer didn't want people thinking that the younger sister was Wanda but the scene was deleted and that's exactly what happened.

Don't forget Fox had Star Wars before Disney did...they put up the money originally and distributed it.

One of my biggest problems with Days of Future Past was no Lockheed...my mom ended up trying to placate me by saying that Lockheed was being kept safe somewhere else....

Seriously, if you have a legitimate opportunity to have a dragon...why wouldn't you take it?
cassiekiss_me_cassie on May 23rd, 2016 04:46 pm (UTC)
I know this is the dumbest or the dumb questions, but... it actually takes place in the 80s?! That makes a lot of the preview make more sense.

(Honestly, I don't know much Xmen other than way back when Em made all of us watch for Logan's arms in the cage match and, ya know, it devolved from there. heh. Although I do have an Xmen encyclopedia that I reference sometimes when the kid asks about Iceman or Cyclops or what not and I can't bring up any info on them from my head.)
inkvoices: X:storyinkvoices on May 23rd, 2016 10:29 pm (UTC)
Yeah *grins*. So we had X Men: First Class in the 60s, Days of Future Past in the 70s (well, the new film parts were set in the 70s), and this is the 80s. I think they're keeping it going and plan to do the 90s next.

I have a fondness for the films and comics, and vague memories of the cartoon. Comics-wise Joss Whedon's comics run is good, because Joss Whedon, and more recently Battle of the Atom - an X Men and Avengers time-wimey mess - had some wonderful moments and amusing dialogue. And I do love the crazy school shenanigans stuff :) But seeing how few clothes Hugh Jackman will end up in - and if he'll ever end up in the bright yellow uniform - is a time honoured tradition, right? *grins*